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	<title>Comments on: Citizen Space Zürich for Digital Nomads soon to arrive?</title>
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		<title>By: Digitalnomad</title>
		<link>http://www.numlock.ch/news/it/citizen-space-zurich-for-digital-nomads-soon-to-arrive/#comment-661</link>
		<dc:creator>Digitalnomad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s always of interest to read about digital nomads around the world, and different interpretations of the terminology. I think being a digital nomad has to do with a mindset and the goal to be mobile.

The changing global economy and technology are contributing to the ideas surrounding telecommuting and distance working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always of interest to read about digital nomads around the world, and different interpretations of the terminology. I think being a digital nomad has to do with a mindset and the goal to be mobile.</p>
<p>The changing global economy and technology are contributing to the ideas surrounding telecommuting and distance working.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Messina</title>
		<link>http://www.numlock.ch/news/it/citizen-space-zurich-for-digital-nomads-soon-to-arrive/#comment-500</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Messina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, to be clear, they&#039;ve not contacted me or been in touch about their plans. I don&#039;t know the people involved or what their goals are -- admittedly I&#039;ve been lying low on the coworking mailing list lately so if they&#039;ve been present, I&#039;ve missed it.

Anyway, I&#039;m certainly open to having a conversation with them -- trademarks exists to serve a purpose, which is to prevent confusion in the marketplace. If Citizen Space Zurich opens and our former patrons show up, again, expecting to drop-in for free and can&#039;t, if they come back to us and complain, that&#039;ll be an unfortunate situation -- for everyone involved.

Here&#039;s looking to a positive resolution and progress being made on these kinds of questions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, to be clear, they&#8217;ve not contacted me or been in touch about their plans. I don&#8217;t know the people involved or what their goals are &#8212; admittedly I&#8217;ve been lying low on the coworking mailing list lately so if they&#8217;ve been present, I&#8217;ve missed it.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m certainly open to having a conversation with them &#8212; trademarks exists to serve a purpose, which is to prevent confusion in the marketplace. If Citizen Space Zurich opens and our former patrons show up, again, expecting to drop-in for free and can&#8217;t, if they come back to us and complain, that&#8217;ll be an unfortunate situation &#8212; for everyone involved.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s looking to a positive resolution and progress being made on these kinds of questions!</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen Space Zurich - home page up and more details &#124; numlock.ch - a changelog by Daniel Mettler</title>
		<link>http://www.numlock.ch/news/it/citizen-space-zurich-for-digital-nomads-soon-to-arrive/#comment-498</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen Space Zurich - home page up and more details &#124; numlock.ch - a changelog by Daniel Mettler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 20080720: See also the comment from Chris Messina (the founder of Citizen Agency, LLC (blog) and master mind behind the original Citizen Space in San [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 20080720: See also the comment from Chris Messina (the founder of Citizen Agency, LLC (blog) and master mind behind the original Citizen Space in San [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mettlerd</title>
		<link>http://www.numlock.ch/news/it/citizen-space-zurich-for-digital-nomads-soon-to-arrive/#comment-497</link>
		<dc:creator>mettlerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, these are indeed interesting questions that need to be answered. It&#039;s odd that you haven&#039;t at least been contacted and informed about these plans beforehand? Or asked for advice and co-operation? Maybe it all happened too spontaneously and there just wasn&#039;t enough time so far. Maybe it&#039;s in the plans - I don&#039;t know (couldn&#039;t contact them yet).

As long as I don&#039;t have any information about the circumstances, hope remains that it&#039;s rather inadvertence or absence of consideration than intention.

I hope they will contact you ASAP, also if perhaps that wouldn&#039;t be required from a juridical point of view. I also believe that the community spirit and fairness are important aspects of the coworking idea. People who know the original &lt;a href=&quot;http://citizenspace.us/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Citizen Space&lt;/a&gt; in SF would likely feel misled by the identical name of the &quot;citizen space&quot; in Zurich, once they found out about the conceptual differences.

So for the sake of fairness, I think the concept should be adjusted to match the one of the original more closely and there should be some kind of endorsement or co-operation. Or one should consider changing the name of the &quot;citizen space&quot; in Zurich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, these are indeed interesting questions that need to be answered. It&#8217;s odd that you haven&#8217;t at least been contacted and informed about these plans beforehand? Or asked for advice and co-operation? Maybe it all happened too spontaneously and there just wasn&#8217;t enough time so far. Maybe it&#8217;s in the plans &#8211; I don&#8217;t know (couldn&#8217;t contact them yet).</p>
<p>As long as I don&#8217;t have any information about the circumstances, hope remains that it&#8217;s rather inadvertence or absence of consideration than intention.</p>
<p>I hope they will contact you ASAP, also if perhaps that wouldn&#8217;t be required from a juridical point of view. I also believe that the community spirit and fairness are important aspects of the coworking idea. People who know the original <a href="http://citizenspace.us/" rel="nofollow">Citizen Space</a> in SF would likely feel misled by the identical name of the &#8220;citizen space&#8221; in Zurich, once they found out about the conceptual differences.</p>
<p>So for the sake of fairness, I think the concept should be adjusted to match the one of the original more closely and there should be some kind of endorsement or co-operation. Or one should consider changing the name of the &#8220;citizen space&#8221; in Zurich.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Messina</title>
		<link>http://www.numlock.ch/news/it/citizen-space-zurich-for-digital-nomads-soon-to-arrive/#comment-496</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Messina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 03:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is pretty exciting to see --and it&#039;s an interesting situation with regards to trademarks and the like since this space (and the name) have no official affiliation or relationship to the original space in San Francisco -- and may lead to some confusion, especially given their policy of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.numlock.ch/news/it/citizen-space-zurich-home-page-up-and-more-details/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;no free drop-ins&lt;/a&gt;.

The spirit of community and sharing should extend to a certain degree, but when it crosses into the realm of commerce, do the community or commercial expectations apply? I&#039;m more curious generally about this question... since I&#039;m not sure. If, for example, the folks starting the space in Zurich came up with the name and we, in San Francisco, were so impressed by their project that we started a local effort under the same name, would they be thrilled or concerned? For now I&#039;m open to seeing how this plays out -- and how much the community demands of the space the things that we&#039;ve built into the model of Citizen Space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is pretty exciting to see &#8211;and it&#8217;s an interesting situation with regards to trademarks and the like since this space (and the name) have no official affiliation or relationship to the original space in San Francisco &#8212; and may lead to some confusion, especially given their policy of <a href="http://www.numlock.ch/news/it/citizen-space-zurich-home-page-up-and-more-details/" rel="nofollow">no free drop-ins</a>.</p>
<p>The spirit of community and sharing should extend to a certain degree, but when it crosses into the realm of commerce, do the community or commercial expectations apply? I&#8217;m more curious generally about this question&#8230; since I&#8217;m not sure. If, for example, the folks starting the space in Zurich came up with the name and we, in San Francisco, were so impressed by their project that we started a local effort under the same name, would they be thrilled or concerned? For now I&#8217;m open to seeing how this plays out &#8212; and how much the community demands of the space the things that we&#8217;ve built into the model of Citizen Space.</p>
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		<title>By: mettlerd</title>
		<link>http://www.numlock.ch/news/it/citizen-space-zurich-for-digital-nomads-soon-to-arrive/#comment-495</link>
		<dc:creator>mettlerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed and I totally agree with you. Concluding from the discussions I had with other people at today&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/08/zurich-meetup-techcrunch-euro-tour/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TechCrunch Euro Tour meetup in Zurich&lt;/a&gt;, there&#039;s really a need for such new kinds of shared offices and public workspaces here. Let&#039;s hope many other office space providers and web cafés in Zurich will jump on the bandwagon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed and I totally agree with you. Concluding from the discussions I had with other people at today&#8217;s <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/08/zurich-meetup-techcrunch-euro-tour/" rel="nofollow">TechCrunch Euro Tour meetup in Zurich</a>, there&#8217;s really a need for such new kinds of shared offices and public workspaces here. Let&#8217;s hope many other office space providers and web cafés in Zurich will jump on the bandwagon!</p>
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		<title>By: Gregor J. Rothfuss</title>
		<link>http://www.numlock.ch/news/it/citizen-space-zurich-for-digital-nomads-soon-to-arrive/#comment-494</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregor J. Rothfuss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally! That is so exciting. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://greg.abstrakt.ch/archives/2006/01/the_coffee_house_office_of_the_future.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my thoughts on coworking.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally! That is so exciting. </p>
<p><a href="http://greg.abstrakt.ch/archives/2006/01/the_coffee_house_office_of_the_future.html" rel="nofollow">my thoughts on coworking.</a></p>
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